Isn't it logical that the Blue Mountains have the Lake Town outpost, since, among the three factions, they are the most Hobbit-ish one, and Thorin and his Company personally met Bard, entered Lake Town and were given the approval for their mission by the Governor?Maybe you're right. I think that also dwarves from Orocarni and Grey Mountains can be suitable for Iron Hills. 8-)
I would rather think of another outpost for the Iron Hills :)
I see your point and doesnt mind if it is used for Iron Hills.but still I doubt that the team will approve that since the meeting was said to take palace in the Blue mountains!:(We don't know much about the Iron Hills and his allies. Maybe Dain had alliance with dwarves from Orocarni and Grey Mountains. Actually they are not too far apart. 8-)
So we with Tienity and TiberiusHonestly - I did not participate on it. xD
But that means Dains LV 10 Power should be changed since he has similar Summon!And I think he can get yo Summon 3-4 Battalions of Battle Rams! :-)Why four battalions of Ram riders? :o
Just a random (really random) thought: what if Dáin could summon, as his level 10 power, one battalion of Ram Riders and another one of the legendary and so-longed Iron Hills pikes from BOTFA as his personal Royal Guard.And why not this? 8-)
These two special units will be able to be summoned once in the game, and they will be replaced (still by Dáin's power) only if your current ones die.
It would be a nice way to implement these BOTFA concepts in the game as special and unique units, while the other ordinary units of the Iron Hills would remain unaltered :P
Just a random (really random) thought: what if Dáin could summon, as his level 10 power, one battalion of Ram Riders and another one of the legendary and so-longed Iron Hills pikes from BOTFA as his personal Royal Guard.And why not this? 8-)
These two special units will be able to be summoned once in the game, and they will be replaced (still by Dáin's power) only if your current ones die.
It would be a nice way to implement these BOTFA concepts in the game as special and unique units, while the other ordinary units of the Iron Hills would remain unaltered :P
http://forum.modding-union.com/index.php/topic,31195.0.html (http://forum.modding-union.com/index.php/topic,31195.0.html)
Then Thorin burst forth in anger: “Our thanks, Roäc Carc’s son. You and your people shall not be forgotten. But none of our gold shall thieves take or the violent carry off while we are alive. If you would earn our thanks still more, bring us news of any that draw near. Also I would beg of you, if any of you are still young and strong of wing, that you would send messengers to our kin in the mountains of the North, both west from here and east, and tell them of our plight. But go specially to my cousin Dain in the Iron Hills, for he has many people well-armed, and dwells nearest to this place. Bid him hasten!”
I love your idea, this guy always has great ideasWell I am offended by that! :D :D
LordDainIronfoot you also suggests good ideas especially for dwarf factions xDHa ha ha!Tanks mate!But most of them we combine and think about them with Tienity to make them better and more balanced!So it is mostly like combined ideas from me and him! ;)
Btw, I have perfect sound set for Grimir if team decide to implement all this to the game. :)Can you upload this Grimir's sound set somewhere?
I like the first more too!Iron Hills Army should be Iron Hills Army ,but I like and agree about the Crossbow part! :DI think that this is not possible, because they prefer own old models with design from book for Iron Hills army.
For now it looks very promising. :) Proud to be part of that shape. 8-) xD.These units should be comparison to LakeTown/Dale units. It's nice, shaped in both, Lore and balance way. Wise way to implement that BOTFA model,(Which lot of people like here. Simply we could use that model for EredLuin, why not?) diversity is there (Red Mountains, we have now reason for that Assembly Hall), team keep book model like main for Iron Hills, and add this for Outpost. (C'Mon people just look to Mordor's Outposts, especially Minas Morgul units.)I think that the Lake-Town is designed for Ered Luin. Thorin and his company visited the Lake-Town. Ered Luin needs faster units and Bard.
Again, I must say, there is no point in other kind of Outpost for Iron Hills in my opinion. Simply Lake Town expansion is weird. (Honesty, is there any Lore aspects for this? Any Lake Town-Iron Hills relation?)
Tienety, this is very nice shape. :) 8-)
I find this Concept Art design, maybe this design will be more fit for dwarves from Orocami:I think mace is nice, armour remind me too much on present Veterans, just in diferent colour, same for helmet. It could pass, but in my opinion model of old Veterans is better. :)What do you think about this design? 8-)
Of course it is my personal opinion!Did I said somewhwere that I have found an officila sorurce!? o_OOld Veterans look way more like Ered Mithinr by color and Armor shape and such rather than easterling Dwarfs!This Armor with some adjusments I think will be great for them! :) And different Colros ofc! :)And where precisley have you found description of armour/weapons/look of dwarfs from any of Orocarni clans? :P Or descriptions of "Armour shape" of Ered Mithrin dwarves?
I think that is your personal opinion, like I think that gray colour with some red details (old Veterans model) is nicely fitting for Orocarni dwarves. :)
I agree, this design with mace from second picture is perfect for Orocarni. ;)This can be for Orocarni with some Color Changes!That is nice model, that one could be nice Orocarni dwarf, like that helmet. Mace is better from picture Tienety suggested:
And this can be for Ered Mithrin but with Spears and those HEavy Big Shields to represnt their roel as Monster and Drake fighters!?He looks like a elite unit. Maybe use this design as elite Drakes hunters for Grimir on level 10?Again with some adjusments!?
ok matewell he looks like an elite unitWho is he? And when I said that "he" doesn't look like elite unit?
Can you be more precise and more descriptive in your future comments? I think that will be much better for topic and community in general. That is suggestion, not some kind of insult pal. ;) :)
What do you want to say? Didn't get it, Grimir doesn't have unit summoning spell in reply that conserns his abilities. :) Or you meant to add that unit like elite dwarven unit in Assambly Hall?I mean new Grimir's ability on level 10. Hunt for the Dragon ability is not too much unique. I have idea for new better ability: xD
Ok, I realise that it is not soo innovative, but which hero have similar ability? :)Lurtz has a very similar ability on level 10.
This preposition confuses me a little. Does he summon permanent units? Or he summons temorary bodybuards who throw spears at enemies and then they protect him during protection he is immobilized for 30 sec? I think in this way because it's a little weird for one dwarf to throw a lot of spears on enemies by himself (One spear he maybe could throw nicely but more than one in small amount of time, it's weird from physical perspective of dwarf :P ).Hmm maybe a few changes: 8-)
I like that look of unit but it must be changed in some aspects. It is good armoured which is nice, but it looks more like robot than dwarf. And that gem in helmet, simply I found that too much. :)
It looks nice.
As I said earlier, there is no need for that permanent/temporary switch about banner, just to limit number of available banners because of that defence buff. That is my opinion. :) With or without that change it looks nice. ;)Maybe just different effect for banner. I made a couple of changes. 8-)
P.S. I am not trying now to make some mess here, if you just take into consideration usage of this banner ability + upgraded battlewagon (with banner upgrade) + other leaderships you have a lot of defence bonuses for dwarves. We should really take that into consideration when we suggest changes like this one, simply we should try to avoid OP situations for any faction. :)
On a general topic, I'm a little bit confused by all your ideas about dwarves (new scout+outpost for Iron Hills?), and perhaps so is the team.
You'd maybe want to restart a new topic that summarizes your thought, I think more people would come into the discussion. :) At least that's how I feel about it.
On a general topic, I'm a little bit confused by all your ideas about dwarves (new scout+outpost for Iron Hills?), and perhaps so is the team.
You'd maybe want to restart a new topic that summarizes your thought, I think more people would come into the discussion. :) At least that's how I feel about it.
Thank you Gandalf for the support! :)On a general topic, I'm a little bit confused by all your ideas about dwarves (new scout+outpost for Iron Hills?), and perhaps so is the team.
You'd maybe want to restart a new topic that summarizes your thought, I think more people would come into the discussion. :) At least that's how I feel about it.
i dont know about you Adrigabbro but i think LordDainIronfoot always has a point about the dwarfs
He used to be the dwarf expert on the EIC on moddb, sure he brings cool ideas.Thank you too Adrigabbro I am happy to see people like you! :)
Tienety, new idea about look of assambly hall. Maybe we could use model of current Dwarven fortress from vanila:
Have you read disscussion from start or you read only my last comment?
Erebor and Dale was rich enough to hire mecenaries to fight with Easterlings, it's logical. (of course they have own armies as well).
Little wars in worlds like Middle-Earth, never stops, so don't tell me, that they wasn't fight in time between Last Alliance war and arrival od Smaug. ;)
Ered Luin Dwarves headquaters? Do you know that Ered Luin are ruins in practical meaning of that word (Rebuilded ruins to be presise). Anyway, this is true. They won't be outside fortress, we propose some kind of fortress just like outpost building. They won't be in danger, they are important, and this fortress will be nicely deffended and strong builded.
Proof? Proof from LORE we need for basic of this idea. This is not logical at all. Eastelings and dwarves were in great war and bloody fights in time of "War of the Ring". That segment of time is important simply, that segment of time is basic for this Game in general. Ask any game creator and let's see what answer you will get about time/lore aspects. :)
im glad you like it ;), and yes lets stay on topic xDchill guys CragLord and Linhir watch your blood pressure guysThis one was good, I admit. :D :D :D
P.S. Systolic/Diastolic Blood Pressure = 122/ 76 checked now. :D :D :D
This values are pretty normal. (gramma has device) This comment was nice refreshment, Gray. Now we stick to topic. :P xD
Tienety, new idea about look of assambly hall. Maybe we could use model of current Dwarven fortress from vanila:I think that this is a good idea. I would like see part of old Dwarven fortress again in game. 8-)Of course, there should be few modification.
First all towers from main building should be removed (except one, as you propose in general idea, one shooting tower from start, and this will make outpost more expensive than others dwarven outpost expansions)
Second, inner hole (http://s5.postimg.org/j2jwzqtr7/Dw_fortress1212.png?noCache=1439067117) in building structure will be filled, so fresh builded outpost should be something like this:
What do you think about this? :) xD
I think that this is a good idea. I would like see part of old Dwarven fortress again in game. 8-)Glad you like it. :) I also think it would be shame if old model of fortress isn't used somehow. xD
I am really glad you like it too. xD :)
i think its an awesome idea WindlanceI am not so sure about the Catapult/Ballista Upgrade instead we can get Two Battle Towers and later as mentioned few Heavy Guards around it! :)It is the most reasonable idea for now.
I really liked idea about siege unit upgrade ( meanwhile I thought abot Windlance upgrade for Dale/Lake Town to make balance between dwarven Outposts), but this idea is simply easier. :)
Voted! :) Me too, let's see results. :)
Again it is too much (OP) to have 1 outpost without unit limitations + that kind of Assembly Hall. Too OP.
P.S. Have you read part of this topic about units, new hero in Assembly Hall?
It seems that some Dwarves still dwelt in the Ered Mithrin during the late Third Age, so it is likely after the War of the Ring, the Dwarves drove whatever Drakes and Orcs were left totally from the mountains, and reclaimed the rest of their halls and mines in the Grey Mountains.And plus the Number of Battalions ot Units in the Halls can be lmited to 2 or 3 to represtn the low numbers of Dwarves there! :)
And with all my respect the only connection between Iron Hilsl and Lake Town(which did't even had proper Army) is BoFA and thats all for the whole Third Age Period!?No, but for the time, where the edain team had concepted the Ironhills
I find it better to have another Lore Hero than 2 identical Bards!? :)
So I am sorry to dissagree but I do not think Iron Hills has enough strong connections with Lake Town! :)
But in this case, Lake Town don't have lore connections with Iron Hills. You have specified link from BOFA, I will tell you next, those dwarves wanted to crush people of Lake Town when they decide to stood between them and Erebor (from book). So it was natural they fought together against goblins and wargs when they wanted to kill them all. :) In other words, this isn't fact which could be used for integration of Lake Town as Outpost for Iron Hills. Also there is no lore reason for this.
What is more interesting 2 Different Kingdoms with 100% identical outposts and Units and Hero which do not have real connection or having a completely different units and hero with more lore connection?
No, but for the time, where the edain team had concepted the Ironhills
[/spoiler]No, but for the time, where the edain team had concepted the IronhillsEspecially at that time there was no connection between Lake-town and Iron Hills, because as stated above they almost fought each other. If the Iron Hills were designed with the War of the Ring in mind, then it would make more sense to include them into Iron Hills, because I'm pretty sure they would have an alliance after the Battle of the Five Armies.
However, as the team designed the Iron Hills to be part of the Hobbit storyline, it would only make more sense to not give them Lake-town.
No, but for the time, where the edain team had concepted the Ironhills
Especially at that time there was no connection between Lake-town and Iron Hills, because as stated above they almost fought each other.
Edain Iron Hills is from the Hobbit and the Hobbit is not about only 1 moth or 1 battle s oI still do not see big enough Connection and plus Iron Hilsl existed much longer before and after the Hobbit events!
So I still dissagree :)
Connections between Lake Town and Iron Hills don't exist!
It is really disappointing fact that members of this eng part need to go to german section and use translator in order to get opinion from main leader of this team about this matter!
So please try to be objective and read idea in general, what I could conclude from that comment is that guy has seen only what he don't like and generalize that on whole idea.The thing is:
And just to add this Outpost would have some dwarven based buildings and units, isn't that refreshment in this mod? Integration of other dwarven realms into this mod, isn't that good?Well, as I said:
invite them to join hereWe have many people who're still in school. Many of them can understand english, but discussing an entire topic is something completely different. You're always much more comfortable with your native tongue, as you have more possibilities to write something and you canw rite and read much faster. Additionally it's always more tiring to discuss in english than in german for us, especially when you're not used to communicate so much in english. It's easy to write 1-2 sentences, but writing a whole topic if you're not used to it isn't so easy. :P
Also there is no lore reason for this.The same counts for the other way round. There is no lore reason for the other idea.
I dont know what book version of The Hobbit you read, but I am pretty sure that during the Battle of the Five Armies the Men of Laketown and the Dwarves of the Iron Hills took part. So much for nonexistent connections.
One Battle in which they were FORCED to fight together doesn't make an alliance you see! :) You do know that the Dwarves of Iron Hilsl are Durins Folk and have come from Ered Mithrin right!?
To me it is clear who is mroe objective ,to you all our ideas are waste of time and just unreasonable suggestions I see!
I don´t belive that Gnomi think that all your ideas are waste of time.
P.S. Just take a look at Aragorn's comments. I would dare to say some of them are provocative and sarcastic comments in general, also many similar comments in a row, this is something which makes discussion big and pointless at same time. When I said objective I meant objective. Next time please take that into consideration before you stand in "defence" of similar member
I don't wont to be provocative and sarcastic.
3. Yes, i think too that Dwarves of Iron Hills should get a new outopost.
Gnomi - Main reason that most of players chose Edain, is diversity from original. Diversity containing buildings, units, heroes, spells and many many more. So it's wouldn't be wise to limit them to only this ones who's most useful, as you like.Have I ever written that I would want to do those limits?
Then Thorin burst forth in anger: “Our thanks, Roäc Carc’s son. You and your people shall not be forgotten. But none of our gold shall thieves take or the violent carry off while we are alive. If you would earn our thanks still more, bring us news of any that draw near. Also I would beg of you, if any of you are still young and strong of wing, that you would send messengers to our kin in the mountains of the North, both west from here and east, and tell them of our plight. But go specially to my cousin Dain in the Iron Hills, for he has many people well-armed, and dwells nearest to this place. Bid him hasten!”
if any of you are still young and strong of wing, that you would send messengers to our kin in the mountains of the North, both west from here and east, and tell them of our plight.
I admit I didn't thought about that as a possibility!! :) But Fredius is absolutely right! :)
There is no 100% specific place pointed as a residence fo the Dwarves in Ered Mithrin which suggests they could have had few Strongholds trough all Ered Mithrin which indeed is quite a long and wide MOuntain Range! :) And even if you think deeper into it what is the point for Thorin to send for Help from Ered Luin,simply put they are too far away to be abel to get there in time ,too long distance so it is pointless! :)
So I agree that the East includes Iron Hills and Orocarni and North being it in West can actually mean West Ered Mithrin after all as I said it is long Mountain Range and it is possible to have still some smal lDwarven Stronghold or even few! :)
Nice argument there Fredius,you really got me this time ;) :D
i agree with dain on this one also i think iron heels with lake town it just make no sense
even when they fight together in the movie lake town that now is dale leave the dwarfs and the elfs and they are going to defend dale so it makes more sense to have the elfs as an outpost for iron heels ??? i think not and to put 2 lake towns is kinda not unique i dont know this is just my thinking
However, are there some other ideas we could use for Grimir? Ealendril himself stated that he doesn't like his design in both appearance and abilities. That's all the information he gave.If I understand Ea don't like Grimir at all. So he can't be in mod. We don't know about heroes from this area in books or movies. Maybe we can use some dwarven character from War in the North game as leader of this dwarves. Maybe this guy:
However, are there some other ideas we could use for Grimir? Ealendril himself stated that he doesn't like his design in both appearance and abilities. That's all the information he gave.If I understand Ea don't like Grimir at all. So he can't be in mod. We don't know about heroes from this area in books or movies. Maybe we can use some dwarven character from War in the North game as leader of this dwarves. Maybe this guy:
http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Gorin (http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Gorin)
If this Assembly Halls this is not good idea at all, maybe you will like more my old idea: Ruins of Dale (http://forum.modding-union.com/index.php/topic,31040.0.html)
if i know a similar animation is already in game. :P
^^I also imagined that yellow would be a fitting color for the Orocarni Dwarves. I really like your interpretation of them, it sounds interesting and unique - exactly what the Edain Team likes to implement ;). I really hope they implement the Orocarni Dwarves, I would love to see them in the mod :).